35 comments on “Noisy Neighbors 2

  1. Dear Chico,

    I totally agree and empathize with you on your ordeal with your neighbors. I think you should not stop until you get your message across to them and the results you want to see.

    I have been working in hotels my whole life and they are how they are and wherever they are. But it doesnt mean that we should just let them be.

    We should do something about it. One really effective way to do it is to do a collective action against them. In your case, you can go to your homeowners’ association, to your barangay, and even to the police. There is such a thing as noise pollution and law against disorderly conduct.

    With the collective action, it can go as far as banning them. It is when these types of people realize that they have to shape up in a foreign country (in the face of banishment or lawsuit) that I think changes will come. Because if you don’t do anything, they will think that their behavior is ok.

    Good luck!

    choy

  2. hi chico!!! I’ve had many unpleasant encounters with Koreans. Like you, I am not against ALL Koreans. However, there are certain traits and/or characteristics that are really common among them. They are :
    1. LOUD – they do not care how they disturb other people with their noise; we have tons of Korean neighbors too that are NOISY and INSENSITIVE.
    2. They do not know ho to adapt to the culture in the Philippines. They act as if ALL Filipinos are at their mercy since they are the employers of some of these pinoys. They complain that Filipinos act like this, act like that, but they do not understand that they are the ones who should adapt to our country and not us to them.on
    3. I once had a Korean employer who did not register her preschool with the DEPED. She didn’t even have the decency to have a contract for us for our time teaching in her school. NO benefits and everything. Tapos she treats us like we are maids or something. She even gives promises that she’ll give us bonuses for tutoring her friend’s daughters but lo and behold, no such bonus arrived. Finally all the teachers left her school.
    4. They STINK! They don’t take baths! As in they would wear the same thing everyday with pawis and all.

    Sounds like I still have ill feelings towards my former employer and neighbors. Good luck with the neighbor situation. I’m sorry I aired out my side here in your blog. It’s a great feeling for me to be able to air it out finally after more than a year has passed since I worked with a Korean.

  3. Hi,Chico! I share your frustation on your current situation with your neighbor and other people’s assertion. Just because you & your family sat in silence for 20 years doesn’t mean you are oblige to continually do so. Take it from me, you’ve played fair enough. They should be thankful you’re not the aggressive clan. Cheers!

  4. chico, you just made your part and i dont see anything wrong with it. posting your sentiments in your blog is enough for you to release the (maybe) anger and frustrations, the fact that its your blog so have the right to post anything, its personal! we (readers) just sneaking it or a sort of tresspassing it. anyway, what you have told us here is only a way of bursting out your emotion. kaya ok lang yan, wala akong nakikitang mali against sa ibang lahi. natiyempo lamang na yong mga bungangera mong kapitbahay ay koreano eh dun naman napuno at naglahad ka ng iyong sentimyento. alam mo ang mabuting gawin sa kanila, lagyan ng mighty bondbibig nila. at bago pa sila pumunta ng pinas dapat tanungin sila ng “are you noisy? if yes, dont go to philipines, if no just stay to where you are” ganun para oks na ang problema. anyway, dapat gumawa ka na ng action habang maaga pa, ireklamo mo yang mga BUNGANGERANg yan at PALENGKERANG kapitbahay mo. pero sabi mo nga hindi ka kayo aggresive clan, isip ka na lang ng ibang paraan. ipahabol mo sila sa aso. o kaya gawa ka ng chismis na may multo sa bahay na nilipatan nila,hehehe.

  5. you don’t have to be apologetic about it. nakakatawa yung post mo. wala namang ethnic bashing dun eh. at saka excuse me, may kinalaman yung pagiging dayuhan nila sa kaingayan nila. pinaliwanag mo naman yun ng maayos. ewan ko ba sa ibang tao na napaka-sensitive. para naman kasing may pakialam yung mga dayuhang yun na may mga indio este pilipino palang nagtatanggol sa kanila.

  6. Funny, your previous post was so clear cut in terms of definitions and descriptions… it boggles my mind that some people still didn’t get your point. heehee

    A professor in Ateneo has authored some books on modern kulam… hahaha. Idea! Idea!

  7. Hi Chico,

    I fully support your right to lash out (Hi sage!) and I’m damn sure you would have lashed out at your first neighbor with equal ferocity given the chance or inspiration.

    But I wonder had you done so, would ethnicity have figured as prominently as it did when you lashed out at your second neighbors? To what would you have attributed your Pinoy neighbor’s actions?

    Point is (I’m playing the PC-Devil’s advocate here in case some people haven’t noticed) what’s being Korean (or foreign) got to do with it? Why make it a factor in this at all? Why even mention it?

    When you state that your neighbors are Korean and proceed to give tips to foreigners on how to behave around here, it gives the impression that that their being Korean or foreign is the source of your grief. And whether you like it or not, it validates brewing suspicions or preconceived notions not a few readers may have regarding Koreans or foreigners. You only have to read some of the comments to see this.

    It’s pretty easy for all of us to blame, entirely or in part, your second neighbors’ behavior on their being maladjusted foreigners. But it’s a little too easy. We tend to be content with this kind of explanation and not look beyond their being foreign for some other (the real?) reason for their actions. Which only fosters further misunderstanding. And comments that reek of xenophobia like some your post has elicited.

    Peace din! All in the spirit of informed and informative discussion.

  8. hey chico, i don’t think you’ve been unfair to anybody. you are sharing your personal experiences. who are we to judge you? they are your own experiences. i don’t see nor think that your motives are ill. oh i can be very judgemental as well. though i’d like to believe that i judge people according to their motives.

    i do enjoy your blog! oh the power of information! depended na sa tao how they will use those information. hopefully – wisely and productively. well, we could only hope.

    people are social beings, peaceful co-existence is a lot of work! however, they do work! well, we learn and live….i came across this – “people learn from one another, just as an iron sharpens an iron.”

  9. @Marcus: mag-vitamins ka! ang point lang naman dun eh yun second neighbor is even W-O-R-S-T in terms of loudness. kung yun dati gabi lang maingay, ngayon BUONG ARAW nag-iingay! kahit pa anong lahi yan, kung noon nagtitimpi ka na at may dumating na mas MALUBHA, mas MALALA pa eh talagang mapupundi ka na.

    simple lang yan kunwari dati masakit ang ulo pero tolerable pa kaya hinahayaan mo lang or simpleng ibuprofen/paracetamol lang tinitira mo, tapos bigla naman yun tiyan mo sumakit ng todo-todo as in mangisay ka sa sakit hindi makuha sa kung anong over-the-counter na gamot, edi pupunta ka na sa doktor. ganun lang yun nasa lebel lang yan ng sakit walang pake kahit nasan pa yan basta di mo na kaya, ganun din dito, nangyari lang na di na sya nakapagtimpi dahil MAS MAINGAY na yun dumating kaya wala ng paki kahit anong lahi pa yan.

  10. malamang nga, yun naman kasi talaga ang dahilan. sabi nga ni sigmund freud, sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. kung hindi, how can you explain why it’s so common among koreans neighbors? stereotype nga sya. but stereotypes aren’t necessarily bad. that’s just how the human mind works to simplify situations. and it’s not always wrong. if a lot of people from different parts of the country complain about their korean neighbors’ noise level (and they do!), it’s very likely that there’s truth to the stereotype. even their own government and local korean associations recognize this and thus remind their compatriots to behave.

    look, not all koreans are like that. but surely, a great deal of them are. and their being foreigner probably has a lot to do with it. the explanation may be “too easy” but that doesn’t mean it can’t be true. they were raised in a culture where it’s ok to talk loudly all the time (and probably, dismiss your indio neighbors’ complaints as nonsense). and we live in a society where pakikisama is a treasured virtue. unless we recognize these differences, there will always be tensions and we’ll never reach a consensus. let’s not ignore that for the sake of political correctness. democrats do that and just look how they’re so blind about foreign policy.

  11. I disagree with Mr. Marcus in some points. (but I have to give it to him for being fair and civil despite the counter comments. KUDOS PANYERO!)

    The post is about noisy and unbearable neighbors.PLAIN AND SIMPLE It doesnt really involve ethnicity. It is just that at the time when chikko’s “incredible hulk” persona surfaced. The neighbors(who unfortunately are koreans) are at the receiving end. I believe it is wrong to assume bias on the basis of an unfounded and misconceived impression that foreigners are the source of chikko’s grief. That will only lead to arguments on perpetuity.

    Just like in the legal profession, you do not accuse or convict on the basis of conjectures or speculations.

    Now with respect to the comments being written here. Its non sequitur. The inferences made does not follow the premise or pieces of evidence involved. The comments having some insinuations or indirect korean bashing moments, doesnt mean that it reflects his idea. They are comments, no link whatsoever with chikko’s attitude towards foreigners.

    I also would like to take strong exception with the sentence;

    “Which only fosters further misunderstanding”.

    Contrary to this notion. This new post actually helps. Its an open forum. Knowledge or new information connects people to better understand things. To rely on this line of thinking is to lose trust in progressive human thinking.

    “Honeste vivere non alterum laedere et jus suum cuique tribuere”
    To live virtuously, not to injure others and to give everyone his due.

  12. I think it is important to understand where this thing is coming from. I believe that Filipinos, collectively as a people, are a friendly and behaved lot when we are in foreign countries. We follow the rules and we adjust to their environment, period. Thus, it is revolting and shocking to our senses when we see foreigners misbehaving in our own country because we expect them to behave like we do when we are avisiting.

    Just to share my thoughts on the issue…

  13. Hehehe…sabi ko last na, but this is last last, just to answer marcus’ question in the spirit of healthy discussion. The only reason I mentioned they’re Koreans is already partly in their defense. I actually wrote it off that maybe they’re like our very own Batanguenos or Capampangans (which my mom is) who seem to be fighting even when they’re just talking. I brought up their being foreigners mainly to explain why I thought they were noisier than usual. Like you said, had I wrote about the previous neighbors, I would have found some other hypothesis why they’re noisy. True, ethnicity would not be brought up, only because we’re in the Phils., and unless stated otherwise, we would presume they were Pinoys. I would probably have speculated that they were a political family or a wealthy, well-connected one, explaining the who-cares-if-we’re-noisy-attitude. I thought their being noisy was because of their culture, maybe what sounds loud to us, is actually an acceptable volume in their culture. That’s why I brought up their ethnicity. I would’ve identified them as German if they were from Germany, or that they’re American if they were from the U.S. I brought up their ethnicity because they were foreigners, not because they were Korean. Whew! This is tougher than Philo 11!

  14. TO Marcus,

    I guess Chico’s main point is (and if you read it)… even if his next neighbors are Filipinos and they are noisy that he would still lash out about their behaviors.

    But it did not happen that way, it so happen that his next neighbors are Korean.

    He’s not “trying” to concentrate on ONE nationality only. 🙂

    Chico,

    I know what you mean about the Kapampangans, I, myself, is a Kapampangan, too and boy we are hella loud.

    Even my aunt who’s 4’11” thinks that no one can hear her so when she speaks, she speaks as if she shallowed a microphone long time ago 🙂

  15. naalala ko lang – in line with ethnicity…we have strong muslim blood. when i was young, when relatives from mindanao come to manila for a visit, for me, parang may bagyo na may kasamang kulog! especially, when they talk to each other in moro. para bang nag-aaway, pero ang sasaya naman ng itsura. funny, they are generally quiet until you talk to them. they are so intense! well, kami rin na naman. and we talk very fast! parang laging galit daw. i like multi-culturalism. i’m all for it! we can learn a lot from each other.

  16. Geez, some people here react more rabidly than the blogger himself. Thanks to “pixel” tho for concerns about my health. I’ll make this quick because a big part of my point is already being illustrated by the kind of comments spewing out in this and the previous post.

    It’s very dangerous to explain a person’s past or present behavior by his sex, religion, social status, his being a foreigner, his alma mater, his race, his province or any group he belongs to. Why? I don’t have any formal training on sociology or ethnic sensitivty but I think this is the same principle that underlies discrimination that goes on even BEFORE a person belonging to a certain group has acted out anything. It’s the other side of the same coin.

    Take for example the Pinoy experience when abroad — wala pa tayong ginagawa, branded na agad tayo: We get subjected to an inordinate amount of time in Immigration as compared to say, a Singaporean passport holder, we get refused service (and entry!) in the Louis Vuitton shop in Paris because we’re “not going to buy anything anyway”, and some US locals in the midwest utterly refuse to talk to us even when we’re right in front of them asking for directions because we’re not one of them.

    I may be totally wrong, but I think it’s the same principle at work in these instances as when we attribute a person’s present or past behavior (like being noisy) to a group he belongs (like Koreans, Germans, foreigners).

    I get it when Chico and the other commenters say the neighbors “just happen to be Korean”. But that is my point exactly: their being Korean or German or whatever doesn’t have anything to do with it, they just happen to be that. Assholes are assholes — it doesn’t matter if they’re Korean or German or Kapampangan.

    If that is so, why even mention that they’re foreign or Korean at all? Can’t we just say they’re “a bunch of people” noisier than the first? Stating that they’re Koreans or Germans or foreigners is not only uncalled for, it also strengthens the stereotype further. It makes people who have certain prejudices feel validated. As illustrated by some of the comments, it begets similar arguments which at the surface seem logical, harmless and seem to explain everything, but in reality are unfair, inaccurate and fueled underneath by discrimination which we may or may not be consciously aware of. It’s that insidious. (And yes, “weeeh” stereotyping may be the way a brain works, but it’s certainly not the way a thinking brain thinks.)

    So to be clear and before I get pelted again, I’m not an Indio defending foreigners (thank you again “weeeh”). Neither do I think Chico was wrong in lashing out at his neighbors. Chico has every right to lash out (it’s the first sentence of my previous comment, if you’d read it at all, Leslie) and I think he has in fact every reason to lash out. If it still boggles the mind of some people like Allan that I “still don’t get it”, what can I say but sorry for wasting your time with the long post.

  17. iba naman kasi yung example mo eh. sa halimbawa mo, sa ibang bansa, wala pa tayong ginagawa, pero dahil pinoy tayo eh may presumption nang trouble makers tayo kaya dapat strikto ang immigration satin. but in this case, baliktad. they’re not behaving properly, and we’re pointing out that their being raised in a society where excessive noise is acceptable is a likely explanation for it. di ko naman sinasabing yun lang ang dahilan kung bat maingay sila. ang sinasabi ko lang, malamang nga, may kinalaman naman talaga. it’s up to you if you want to take it one step further and reason out that since being foreigner makes it hard for them to behave properly in a society much different from the one that they’re used to, we can presume that most koreans and other foreigners will (mis)behave the same way, like when the parisian louis vitton staff assume that every filipino who walks into the shop is there only to look around. certainly no reasonable person will take it that far. pwera na lang kung prejudiced ka na in the first place. but we’re adults here, diba?

    and no, even thinking brains stereotype. in fact, only thinking brains can stereotype. it’s precisely because you think that these stereotypes get formed, because the brain uses stereotypes as a probabilistic tool. making generalizations is in the first place, a brain process and a pretty important one at that. when one still holds on to the stereotype despite the availability of more accurate information, that’s when it becomes unreasonable. of course, for the blogger and the other posters (me included), first hand experience with korean neighbors is what we have. admittedly, it’s a limited source of information. but that’s as accurate as it gets. nakita at narinig mo eh. nairita ka. eh di mas mabigat yung epekto nun sayo. if koreans find it unfair that we make judgments based only on our own experiences, patunayan nilang mali nga yun, na hindi sila ganun pinalaki sa bansa nila, na iilan lang sa kanila yung mga ganun. how to do that? umayos sila habang nandito sila, if they even care about what the locals think, which in the case of the blogger’s neighbors, they don’t. then the stereotype will get dropped.

    share ko lang, anecdotal lang to pero sabi ng mga koreano kong kaibigan, sa home province nya, ganun talaga magsalita mga tao. parang laging naninigaw at maiingay talaga sila.

  18. Marco,

    If you would like to lash out on Chico, do so in your own blog. Ok? I mean, i don’t get the point of scrutinizing every point Chico has stated.

    Anyway, makes me think that you have something against Chico. An EX perhaps? Or is this you Del! Wahaha!

    Just kidding Del! I so love you and you’re hotta hotta!

    And regarding neighbors, i so can relate. Mine is a group of tricycle drivers, who love “bratatatatata-ing” their motors even in the wee hours of the night.

    I work in a call center so i sleep during the day. they make my life hell!

  19. haha! siguro korean si marcus.. affected?! joke! oo nga.. based on personal experience.. when we were having new year’s celebration.. yung korean neighbors were so loud. as in dinig sa mga kapitbahay ung ingay ng house nila. to think na ung mga bahay sa ayala alabang are like big with these big lots.. imagine how loud they were. sobra talaga.. pero okay lang din kasi new year. 🙂

  20. ang blog ang imbakan ko ng mga kinikimkim na damdamin at tapunan ko ng mga basura ko sa buhay 🙂 yung kalayaan kong magreklamo ang pinaka-wagi sa pagba-blog. when am ultra-sad, i blog. when am pissed, i blog. when am happy, i blog. release ko yan e. i always tell people, if they have problems or issues about my posts, then they are free to go read other blogs. basta walang pakelaman ng post. kaya chico, sige lang, ilabas ang mga samut-saring reklamo sa buhay sa blog. i definitely wont make assumptions, moreso, judgments, because of ONE post.

    peace, dudes, hehehe :p

  21. i wonder what delamar would say about this…
    ako- i got chico’s point and marcus’. And pls – correct me if I’m wrong but comments do not really have to be positive or good – COMMENT is synonymous to remark, obeservation, statement; so if marcus had said something about chico’s blog, it’s not naman “lashing out” – and this is CHICO’s blog – chico did not attack marcus’ re his statement did he? Even he has the right- as far as i understand it-he commented nicely.
    So- chill everyone! Para kayong mga anak kong nagaaway e – hahahahahha!

  22. ok feeling pretty. so ang dating sa’yo eh kinakawawa si marcus dito?

    just as he expressed disagreement with the blogger’s post, people are just expressing their disagreement with his comments. kung meron mang mga ad hominems against him, ok sige, pasensya na lang. although it seems to me when i read them that they were tongue-in-cheek remarks more than personal attacks. besides, he’s the one who made such a huge fuss about ethnicity first, which is a sensitive issue in a country that has yet to come to terms with the fairly recent influx of koreans. don’t tell me he didn’t expect any voices dissent. he wanted to be anal about political corrrectness. in fact he admitted that he’s playing devil’s advocate. tapos when people resist, chill lang kami? wala namang masama if he won’t shut up about it. but don’t complain na lang if people disagree.

  23. just imagine these bunch of rushers inside a coffee shop talking about this particular post of chico. i am quite certain tatalunin natin ang noise level ng kapitbahay ni chix, hehehehehe 😀

    kape, kape….pampakalma 😀

  24. to weeeh… sorry if I made you think that I am complaining that people are harsh with a disagreeable comment like that of Marcus’. What I am saying is chico is the blogger and he has given us readers chance to make comments-good or bad. I really thought chico did very nice when he posted another just to answer the issue-believe me- he made his point on what I first commented and I appreciate that, but it does not change certain beliefs that I have concerning such issue-i still have them-but i respect chico’s comment. Pero the blogger made nice comments for the sake of healthy discussion, while some of the comments seemed like being “personal” in commenting-that’s what i observed-that’s why i wrote MY comment. But when you said “but don’t complain na lang if people disagree”- you see every single person who posted comments here had their disagreements-well not directly but if you read between the lines. That’s a good comment you had, just don’t address it to me only. but thanks for addressing your concern,-i’ll shut up and never comment again on any future posts-magbabasa na lang ako.:)

  25. this is just plain and simple. no need for complicated words and playing devil’s advocate ek-ek.

    it’s an issue of noisy neighbors. it’s as simple as that. no need to search and to analyze each word to find malicious meaning to an otherwise plain outburst because of his neighbor’s irritating habits.

    because, for all you know, there will come a time when you will have neighbors much irritating than these koreans. then tell me how you will react and i’ll analyze how you feel. no need to play devil’s advocate. when you are roused from sleep, you can’t say, wait a minute, what is my neighbor’s nationality? what are their past and present behavior? then after answering these logical questions will i react? come on. kahit sa yo mangyari yan, ganoon din sa sinabi ni chico ang sasabihin mo.

    simple lang yan. maingay sila.

  26. You’re right Juggernaut, Marcus should have illustrated or scrutinized anything he wanted “ON HIS OWN BLOG”. That’s why I agree with joey and weeeh for words so well expressed. In fact it seems to me that si Chico ang kinawawa because he has his image to protect here as a radio host, so he felt obligated to explain & clarify this non-sense assertions, which i don’t think i’d even bother if I were Chico. Coz this is his blog; anything he wants to post here shall be done. Next time if Chico encounters a Chilean whom he considers rude and unbearably needs to release his anger, then he’ll post a topic about a rude Chilean whenever he wishes to and give ‘free’ tips to them as well just so they know; omg, does it hurt to receive tips? how hard is that to comprehend? Nothing is free nowadays, so a free tip from Chico? Hey, it’s already a BONUS dude!
    But if you don’t mind Juggernaut, out of topic and curiosity, just wonder how did the tricycle drivers bratatata-ing at night affected you, coz i thought you sleep during the day? Just wondering yet kidding =D hehehe Cheers!

  27. read between the lines? ano raw?!?

    text comments lang to. so it’s pretty difficult to infer from the comments themselves the tone in which they were delivered. ewan ko kung pano mo nasabing nagkaka-personalan na rito. i’ve scrolled up and down many times over. and in my judgment, none of us here has used clearly abrasive language so far. wala namang namemersonal in the sense na we write trash about each other to discredit the other person. like i said, medyo tongue-in-cheek lang naman yung ibang mga remarks. but they didn’t take away the focus of the discussion and turned it into a huge online verbal mudslinging.

    as for the disagreements, i don’t think anyone ever tried to hide it. we disagree, plain and simple. no need to read between the lines there. marcus thinks we should disregard race for the sake of being politically correct, while the others (me included) think that it is relevant. also, para kasing sa tono ng mga posts nya eh parang kung anong kawalang katarungan yung ginawa sa mga koreano porke napagsabihan silang umayos sila rito at hindi to gaya ng korea. nagmukang yung blogger at ibang posters pa rito ang masama. eh teka, bago ang lahat, bakit ba nagkaron ng ganung rant post? sino ba kasi ang namerwisyo ng kapwa? alam naman nilang dala dala nila pangalan ng bansa nila pag nandito sila (ewan, pero kasi ganun mga pilipino pag nasa ibang bansa sila, gaya ni chico), tapos di sila kikilos ng maayos? eh di malamang magkaka-disagreement talaga.

    tsaka he admitted nga na he wasn’t just presenting his views which in his honest belief are legitimate. parang ang dating eh he just expressed his opinion tapos we all jumped down his throat (well, even if that were the case, so what? we have opinions too). he’s acting as the devil’s advocate. what that means is that he took the opposite side of an issue to engage the other side in a discussion. sa madaling salita, he was basically asking for an argument, and he actually got it. there.

  28. Hi Sage,

    During weekends i get to experience being normal, so i sleep at night. and during wee hours i would hear the “bratatatatatats” of their tricycles.

    And during weekdays, i have to live with their bratatatats in the afternoon. Waaahh

  29. i thought i’m reading Brian Gorell’s blog. hehe you can ask for ways on how to make them leave in the morning rush top ten. hehe but i can relate to how you feel. only mine, instead of rage, i feel scared coz i once lived in Caloocan where drugs and crimes are an everyday scene. we moved 12yrs ago. now were living with a neighbor who loves playing oldies on weekends. but i liked it. =)

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